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DVD Review: FORBIDDEN PLANET 2-disc 50th Anniversary Special Edition
Remastered with lots of goodies, the classic sci-fi film is reviewed, along with separate reviews for Robby the Robot's subsequent appearances in The Invisible Boy, and TV's The Thin Man.
SAE [Screen Archives Entertainment] issued a new disc featuring Alfred Newman's score and song arrangements in stereo, plus a fat booklet packed with liner notes and copious stills.
mark...@sympatico.ca wrote: > DVD Review: FORBIDDEN PLANET 2-disc 50th Anniversary Special Edition
> Remastered with lots of goodies, the classic sci-fi film is reviewed, > along with separate reviews for Robby the Robot's subsequent > appearances in The Invisible Boy, and TV's The Thin Man.
The review is interesting (and I bought the DVD, too), but I take issue with two points in that review:
1. the sound quality is not excellent, it's too low. I compared against several other DVDs selected at random to assure there wasn't anything wrong with my system and the fault definitely lies with the new FP DVD
2. though the review mentioned the Criterion laserdisc and its extras, the review gives the impression the new FP DVD has everything; it doesn't.
In fact, it pales in comparison to the extras on the Criterion LD (which I just finished rewatching). The LD has complete text scripts, so many more photos, clothing designs, etc etc there's simply no comparison.
The LD extras even include the novelizations and two points overlooked in the DVD extras:
1. why the Earth animals existed on Altair IV. They were created by Morbius and, when dissected, really had nothing inside them since Morbius was a philologist and not a doctor/biologist; it was literally the Krell machine that was keeping the animals alive
2. description of the Krell. Many points overlooked in the DVD extras but are on the Criterion LD. Consider:
a. Morbius' comment while at the machine: "I often wish I had more arms and legs to operate the machinery" and the headset for "a larger cranium".
b. the entrance stairway to the Krell lab: two sets of stairs with a ramp between them -- the ramp for the tail of a broad multi-legged creature whose multiple legs would be on the flanking stairs.
c. lack of any pictures of the Krell in Krell art or books? Not really; Morbius simply didn't know how to retrieve them from the vast library. Speculation abounds they were probably arachnid-like or crab-like given the stairs/ramp and the dimensions of the portal and doors. It was probably just as well to not show any pictures so we could conjure shapes up in our own minds. :-)
Thanks for the added info on the Criterion laser. One of the problems I've found in the passing years is how the information - detailed specs on deluxe laserdiscs - has kind of evaporated from the web, making it really tough to find out exactly what was on specific releases. I did rent the Criterion laser a long, long time ago, but it may have been the CLV issue, and I just recall segments from the workprint copy.
One reason a lot of collectors hold onto specific lasers are the text and stills extras that aren't always carried over onto the latest deluxe edition.
Besides, if smaller labels like All Day or Anchor Bay can include DVD-ROM content with stills, PDF versions of scripts or press release materials, why don't the studios, unless there's a compensation issue with the Writers Guilds the studios just don't want to deal with? One of the best examples for adding historical ROM content is All Day's Christ in Concrete, with news clips and reviews. It's a small bonus, but it places a film in a better historical context, and somewhat balances the pleasant memories and verban fawning that's inherent to most making-of featurettes.
Do you mind if I amend the review to include some of the Criterion extras you've mentioned? Feel free to post or email the info, as that way there is some record of what was left off, and readers will know why the laser still has some importance.
t...@thadlabs.com wrote: > mark...@sympatico.ca wrote: > > DVD Review: FORBIDDEN PLANET 2-disc 50th Anniversary Special Edition
> > Remastered with lots of goodies, the classic sci-fi film is reviewed, > > along with separate reviews for Robby the Robot's subsequent > > appearances in The Invisible Boy, and TV's The Thin Man.
> The review is interesting (and I bought the DVD, too), but I take issue > with two points in that review:
> 1. the sound quality is not excellent, it's too low. I compared > against > several other DVDs selected at random to assure there wasn't anything > wrong with my system and the fault definitely lies with the new FP DVD
> 2. though the review mentioned the Criterion laserdisc and its extras, > the > review gives the impression the new FP DVD has everything; it doesn't.
> In fact, it pales in comparison to the extras on the Criterion LD > (which I > just finished rewatching). The LD has complete text scripts, so many > more photos, clothing designs, etc etc there's simply no comparison.
> The LD extras even include the novelizations and two points overlooked > in the DVD extras:
> 1. why the Earth animals existed on Altair IV. They were created by > Morbius and, when dissected, really had nothing inside them since > Morbius > was a philologist and not a doctor/biologist; it was literally the > Krell machine > that was keeping the animals alive
> 2. description of the Krell. Many points overlooked in the DVD extras > but are > on the Criterion LD. Consider:
> a. Morbius' comment while at the machine: "I often wish I had more arms > and > legs to operate the machinery" and the headset for "a larger cranium".
> b. the entrance stairway to the Krell lab: two sets of stairs with a > ramp between > them -- the ramp for the tail of a broad multi-legged creature whose > multiple legs > would be on the flanking stairs.
> c. lack of any pictures of the Krell in Krell art or books? Not > really; Morbius > simply didn't know how to retrieve them from the vast library. > Speculation > abounds they were probably arachnid-like or crab-like given the > stairs/ramp > and the dimensions of the portal and doors. It was probably just as > well to > not show any pictures so we could conjure shapes up in our own minds. > :-)
On 18 Nov 2006 19:56:30 -0800, t...@thadlabs.com Gave us:
>1. the sound quality is not excellent, it's too low. I compared >against >several other DVDs selected at random to assure there wasn't anything >wrong with my system and the fault definitely lies with the new FP DVD
As opposed to "other DVDs", have you ever heard it on other DVD releases of THAT title, or on other media?
Do you know anything about the movie or its soundtrack?
JoeBloe wrote: > On 18 Nov 2006 19:56:30 -0800, t...@thadlabs.com Gave us:
> >1. the sound quality is not excellent, it's too low. I compared > >against > >several other DVDs selected at random to assure there wasn't anything > >wrong with my system and the fault definitely lies with the new FP DVD
> As opposed to "other DVDs", have you ever heard it on other DVD > releases of THAT title, or on other media?
Sure: I have 3 laserdisc versions, one 35mm release, and two DVD releases.
> Do you know anything about the movie or its soundtrack?
Ever since I saw it on its opening day in 1956 and many times afterwards, reading its screenplay, its novelization, and the original script.
JoeBloe wrote: > On 18 Nov 2006 19:56:30 -0800, t...@thadlabs.com Gave us:
> > They were created by > >Morbius
> No, they were not.
> > and, when dissected, really had nothing inside them since > >Morbius
> You're nuts.
You haven't read the script where it's clearly explained -- the animals dissected had almost no internal organs because they were created by Morbius, a philologist (not a medical doctor or biologist) and they only outwardly resembled the corresponding Earth creatures.
This is where the extras on the DVD fail miserably (compared to the Criterion laserdisc and the screenplay); too much time and space on the DVD is wasted with TV shows and other movies having nothing whatsoever to do with Forbidden Planet and also wasted interviewing people (Muren, Spielberg, et al) who had nothing to do with the movie.
JoeBloe wrote: > On 18 Nov 2006 19:56:30 -0800, t...@thadlabs.com Gave us:
> >1. why the Earth animals existed on Altair IV.
> You obviously didn't watch the movie, where that very question was > addressed and answered.
Answered incorrectly by Morbius.
Remember, everything on the planet's surface was destroyed (including any animals that may have been brought there by the Krell). And there was only one tiger.
>JoeBloe wrote: >> On 18 Nov 2006 19:56:30 -0800, t...@thadlabs.com Gave us:
>> >1. the sound quality is not excellent, it's too low. I compared >> >against >> >several other DVDs selected at random to assure there wasn't anything >> >wrong with my system and the fault definitely lies with the new FP DVD
>> As opposed to "other DVDs", have you ever heard it on other DVD >> releases of THAT title, or on other media?
>Sure: I have 3 laserdisc versions, one 35mm release, and two DVD >releases.
>> Do you know anything about the movie or its soundtrack?
>Ever since I saw it on its opening day in 1956 and many times >afterwards, >reading its screenplay, its novelization, and the original script.
Maybe you should have bought into HD DVD then, because the soundtrack is fine on it, and the picture is HD. Two things you apparently cannot yet claim about any of your forms.
I have it on LD (criterion) as well as a DVD version that came out years ago.
On 24 Nov 2006 00:05:27 -0800, t...@thadlabs.com Gave us:
>You haven't read the script where it's clearly explained -- the animals >dissected had almost no internal organs because they were created >by Morbius, a philologist (not a medical doctor or biologist) and they >only outwardly resembled the corresponding Earth creatures.
Not true.
REGARDLESS of what YOU think you read in the script, the script which was actually recited in the film differs.
It clearly states that the Krell visited Earth centuries before man had even evolved and that the animals were specimens that THE KRELL brought back.
>On 24 Nov 2006 00:25:05 -0800, t...@thadlabs.com Gave us:
>>JoeBloe wrote: >>> On 18 Nov 2006 19:56:30 -0800, t...@thadlabs.com Gave us:
>>> >1. why the Earth animals existed on Altair IV.
>>> You obviously didn't watch the movie, where that very question was >>> addressed and answered.
>>Answered incorrectly by Morbius.
> Bullshit. You claim that it was Morbius that created them. If that >were so, he would not have "answered incorrectly".
>>Remember, everything on the planet's surface was destroyed (including >>any animals that may have been brought there by the Krell).
> You're an idiot. The Krell destroyed themselves.
>> And there
>>was only one tiger.
> Bullshit, you blind, senile twit. There was a deer in the SAME >SCENE, right before the tiger appeared.
There were two deer, one was an albino, then the tiger, and later a monkey.
In the scene where Morbius emerges from a door and catches the commander browsing through the papers on his desk with the doctor, he tells them where the animals came from. That is the scene where he introduces them to the Krell by telling them about their existence.
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